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[edit]The Wikipedia flag at the top of the Yogi Bhajan cites the following problems with the page, I will talk about each one.
"relies on references to primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject" "written like a personal reflection or essay"; "it may contain original research"; "its neutrality is disputed";
I shall deal with each of the page “problems”:
First, I will deal with “references or sources affiliated with the subject” The page has 91 citations. 58 of those are “affiliated with the subject”. “These being ‘affilated with the subject” Yogi Bhajan/ 3HO pubications and/or wesbites. These references are clearly biased and contain fabrications to promote the Yogi Bhajan /3HO agenda. Examples: “Beads of Truth”, a 3HO publication, is cited 20 times; “Sikh Dharma”, a 3HO organization, is cited 9 times; Golden Temple Enterprise, a 3HO organization, cited 6 times; and, Sikhnet, a 3 HO organization, cited 5 times.
“Written like a personal reflection” this page was setup by Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa, a Yogi Bhajan follower and 3HO member. It is clearly biased to promote the Yogi Bhajan/3HO lifestyle which is contrary to the traditional Sikhism. Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa treats the page as his personal website, cost free at Wikipedia expense, and ‘undos’ anything he dislikes that reflects on Yogi Bhajan in a negative way, even if it is the truth. I recently posted a quote from the Time magazine article about Yogi Bhajan cited on the page, “the 3HO leader….inspires hostility”, it was deleted. He uses fabricated reasons to undo posts not to his liking. I also posted quotes about AKAL security, a 3HO organization from a newspaper article as being fined for millions of dollars by the U.S. Federal Government for contract violations at U.S. military bases. It too was deleted.
“it may contain original research” , may? Does! Many things at 3HO publications and websites are fabrications. an example is the Kundalini Research Institute (KRI, www.kundaliniresearchinstitute.org). Years ago the website stated that Yogi Bhajan got a Phd. in Humanolgy from the University of Humanistic Studies in Solana, California, an unaccredited school that closed May 1999. Now, the KRI website states that he received a Phd. in Psychology from the University of Humanistic Studies in San Fransico. There is no record of any such university. The KRI current website data about Yogi Bhajan’s education was changed and fabricated to promote a more favourable image of Yogi Bhajan to the public despite its falsehood.
KRI was established in 1971 with the mission statement to do research on the physiological effects of kundalini yoga on humans. After 41 years there has not been any studies conducted and no papers on the subject published by the Institute or reported. And I seriously doubt any such research is being done currently. A keyword search of the word “research” at the KRI homepage gives 10 pages of hits. Almost every hit mentions Yogi Bhajan and “yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan”, and none on the supposed kundalini yoga research conducted. The KRI website is just another push for the Yogi Bhajan/3HO agenda, and its 3HO teacher training program for “yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan”.
“its neutrality is disputed” I reiterate the above, “Written like a personal reflection”. This page was setup by Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa, a Yogi Bhajan follower and 3HO member. It is clearly biased to promote the Yogi Bhajan/3HO lifestyle which is contrary to the traditional Sikhism. Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa treats the page as his personal website, cost free at Wikipedia expense, and ‘undos’ anything he dislikes that reflects on Yogi Bhajan in a negative way, even if it is the truth. I recently posted a quote from the Time magazine article about Yogi Bhajan cited on the page, “the 3HO leader….inspires hostility”. It was deleted. He uses fabricated reasons to undo posts not to his liking. I also posted quotes about AKAL security, a 3HO organization, from a newspaper article being fined for millions of dollars by the U.S. Federal Government for contract violations at U.S. military bases. It too was deleted.”
Rick Ross is a renown anti cultist and deprogrammer, at his website www.RickRoss.com there is the court affidavit of Phd. Richard Ofshe, a cult expert, regarding 3HO,
1. I hold a Ph.D. in Sociology from Stanford University (1968); I also hold a B,A. degree in Psychology (1963) and a Master's degree in Sociology (1964) from Queens College, City University of New York. 2. I am presently a Professor in the Department of Sociology, University of California at Berkeley, having been on the faculty at Berkeley since 1967. I have held the rank of Professor there since 1982. 3. My particular fields of interest are social influence, decision-making, and the organization of highly controlled groups. This would include organizations commonly identified by the general public as cults. I have been involved in the study of such matters throughout my career, and as my principal area of concentration since the mid-1970s. 4. In 1979, work that I did together with David and Kathy Mitchell was awarded the Pulitzer Prize Gold Medal for Distinguished Public Service. The work consisted of a series of articles and editorials analyzing a cult-like organization called the Synanon Church. 5. I have served as a consultant to the United States Department of Justice, the Internal Revenue Service, several state attorneys general, and a number of district attorneys and other-prosecutorial agencies in connection with cult-related matters. 6. I am a member of numerous professional societies, and have served on the editorial boards of several refereed journals; I am currently a member of the editorial board of the Journal of Cultic Studies. I have authored several books and monographs, and have published more than two dozen articles in scholarly journals, a number of which have to do with cult-like organizations. I have also made more than two dozen presentations in my areas of interest before scholarly conferences. 7. I have served as a consultant and expert witness in more than 30 cult-related cases in Arizona, California, Florida, Massachusetts, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, Puerto Rico and other jurisdictions, as well as in Canada and Great Britain. 8. When I refer to the "Sikhs' in this affidavit I am not referring to the worldwide Sikh religion in general, or to the Sikh population group or religious community in India, or to any follower or member of the Sikh religion anywhere who does not acknowledge Yogi Bhajan as his or her leader or "guru." Rather, when I refer to the “Sikhs" in this affidavit I am referring specifically to that Sikh community in the United States which consists only of organizations and individuals recognizing Yogi Bhajan as their leader, or having close affiliations with such individuals or organizations. 9. In addition to the experience described in paragraph 8, I have served as an expert consultant in litigation involving the Sikh movement in the United States, and its New Mexico contingent. In the course of that service I studied the organization and operation of the Sikh movement in the United States and in New Mexico, including the roles of the various Sikh corporations, and of Yogi Bhajan and those close to him. I have continued to follow issues involving the Sikh movement in the United States, and am aware of the indictment of Guru Jot Singh Khalsa on RICO violations and large-scale international drug trafficking, presently pending in federal court here in California. I am also aware of related official court documents describing money laundering and attempted arms trafficking in addition to the crimes alleged in the indictment itself. Based on my professional knowledge, on my previous study of the Sikh movement, on documents I have reviewed, and on interviews I have conducted with former members of the movement, I have reached the following conclusions:
a. The Sikh movement in the United States exhibits characteristics common to cult organizations, including the use of intimidation and other forms of coercion to impose control and enforce norms within the group.
A look at Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa’s number of bytes on “user contributions” page, and the “Revision history of Harbhajan Singh Yogi” pages details how Fatha treats the Wikipedia Yogi Bhajan site as his personal website, being solely the main author and editor deleting (undo) at will. Is this according to the Wikipedia policies? The page for some reason lacks any reference to “white tantric Yoga”, the major component in Yogi Bhajan’s teachings. I studied Tantric yoga for five years, there is absolutely no reference to white tantric yoga in the ancient Sanskrit texts, only Red (sexual), and Black (occult). “White tantric yoga” was a Yogi Bhajan fabrication. A keyword search of the 3HO website will find a multitude of hits on this subject.
Summary…This page is clearly biased, and not neutral, and is in violation against Wikipedia policy. It should be removed and all posting/undos by Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa should be banned.
Respectfully Submitted Daan Singh Daan singh (talk) 10:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC) April 23,2012
- Daan Singh, I understand your frustration. Let's examine ways that WP would allow you to make some of the changes you desire. Reply back to this here on your user Talk page if you'd like support and assistance as you attempt to make quality changes from a neutral point of view which are balanced withing the article overall and are based on reliable, verifiable sources that must be cited when writing on Wikipedia.
- Regards, Factseducado (talk) 16:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
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